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Oct 21, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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So here is how i do it.
7 sword (just enough to cover my sword req) 12 or 13 smite 8 protection the rest in tactics Sprint Mark of Protection Final thrust Healing Sig Bonetties Defence or Balthazars Spirit Balthazars Aura Symbol of Wrath Shielding Hands Weapon: 14-21 req 7 Short Sword of all things..lol +15%^50 10% double adren +5 defense +20% customized The whole point to this build is NOT to rely on your sword skills. I find i can do better with holy damage because it bypasses any ACL. With Shielding Hands it protects me for 10 seconds, greatly lowering the damage that can be done to me (along with the +5 to defense from my sword)..I hope we can all agree that in MOST cases (except with degen spells) +5 to defense is way better than +30hp. Cast SH and start the fight, cast bonettis defence, cast Balths aura, while you are casting Balths Aura you will be givin enough energy to then cast Symbol of wrath. Attack a little more then you can use Final Thrust or Bonetties (whichever you need at the time). If your about to get owned, MoP, the enemy heals you back to full health not even realizing hes doing it..this works incredibly well when you are fighting 2 people at once. Sprint is so you can follow them when the realize they are being smited to death. Sad enough to say this build has worked for me 8 times, 7 of which were flawless victories. And you dont EVER have to worry about getting interruped, lets face it they are too busy interrupting the monk and eles. All I ask, is that you try this, just once in pvp or gvg before you think you know everything, you will be very surprised with the outcome Last edited by Valdis; Oct 21, 2005 at 03:49 PM // 15:49.. |
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Oct 21, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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"Anyway Valdis.. you'd get more dps if you switched to w/e and spammed ice spear. It costs less energy than 5+25, and does more damage too. Bet you never thought of that, huh?"
Yes I did think about alot of different things, including that. But being a W/E is not the way I would want to go. As a W/Mo i can deal a ton of damage while protecting and healing myself...bet you never thought of that. 
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Oct 21, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I am going to be really honest.
I want you on all the teams I face in tombs/TA. Please somehow manage that. I will seriously have some of the easiest fame/faction, I mean most fun and ummm hardest fights? Ever.... Farming Builds DO NOT WORK in PvP. They may work in CA but thats like saying your N/R using all marksmanship/wilderness skills works in CA. Anyways. Got distracted by something that should never, never have surprised me on the internet, of all places. Idiocy. Insofar as the OP and actualy thread goes. Saying X is unkillable by X in PvP defeats the purpose of the game. As I stated before you can make nearly ANY build combination impervious to 1 or 2 other classes. But it is VERY difficult to make a build that is hard to kill AND deal good to great damage. But I could see a Build like this being used with a R/Mo using a hard res, not just the signet and Apply Poison and Hunter's Shot or Concussive Shot to strain the monks' energy a little more while also having a template that can survive and evade interrupts to cast the Res's. I'd choose Restore Life since you can obviously wade right into the thick of it. |
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Oct 21, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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I think that rebirth would be an ideal skill here, of course you can walk into the battle and rez the person, but after that they will get killed soon after. How many times have i seen somebody get rezed just to get killed in 2 seconds or less. If you use rebirth, as we all know..the person will be away from the battle and the monk will be able to heal him to full HP, then he can get back into the battle.
Hey pagensaint have you tried my build yet or are you too prideful to admit that it...just might work!! Also, could you guys leave me some of your builds so i can test them out for myself. The reason why im so adament about a smite warrior is because I know it works. Perhaps if i could get some better ideas or knowledge on how to be "TRUE" warrior then i will agree with you and I will be forever changed. If you can prove to me that your way is better then I will delete all my messages and apologise publicly on this forum. |
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Oct 21, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Profession: W/
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Your either deliberately trolling OR Unaware that your handing out idiotic advice Are you aware we're talking about PvP..?? PvP isn't the same animal as PvE. Warriors can actually kill stuff *shock* Warriors aren't Monk bodyguards or invincible -- they can however deliver pain by the bucketload. Who in their right mind would bring Rebirth to even the random arenas..?? The caster loses all energy and the friendly is rezzed with complete skill lockout -- do I need to even mention the 6 second casting time..?? And here would be a "true" warrior/monk as you put it: Axe Mastery 16 ( 12 + 4 ) Strength 9 ( 8 + 1 ) Smiting 10 Frenzy Sprint Strength of Honor Smite Hex Eviscerate Executioner's Strike Swift Chop Rez Signet OMFG !!! Oh Noes !!!! No healing spells whatsoever -- whatever to do..?? How about you kill stuff and let the monk(s) do his job. And if that 1 Monk can't keep himself and you alive with a few people beating on him -- then he's trash. Too many people turtle up with self-healing when a strong offense makes for a stronger defense. * The above is NOT meant to played by idiots or in useless Random Arena EDIT: This is ANet's fault look at any of the pre-made's absolute s**t -- each and every one of em. People become accustomed to bringing in their PvE characters with either tanking skills or other skills that only provide self-benefit. Last edited by Man With No Name; Oct 21, 2005 at 05:41 PM // 17:41.. |
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Oct 21, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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I dont know what you are talking about, I dont use healing spells...that comment must be directed at someone else. EDIT: And if your talking about MoP, thats a protection spell.. OK, thanks for the build, now tell me how and when to use it...as I did above Last edited by Valdis; Oct 21, 2005 at 05:44 PM // 17:44.. |
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Oct 22, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Actually, i really love a maintained enchant battle rager
 Sure it means you can't get frenzy, but it's quite nice b/c of 25% faster run.I ran something like battle rage sever gash galrath final thrust strength of honor purge sig(not AP needed, because this build doesn't care about energy) rez sig I think twicky gave me the basic idea. |
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Oct 22, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P
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Purge Signet Sever Artery Gash Galrath Final Thrust Skull Crack/Battle Rage Res Sig (by Bry-Guy) or Penetrating Blow Executioner's Strike Disrupting Chop Dismember Battle Rage Axe Rake/Purge Signet Succor Rez signet (by me) is alot better IMHO :P your casters will love some more energy management :P . |
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Oct 22, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I refuse to lose on purpose. Sorry Valdis. I just can't bring myself to that.
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Oct 22, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.
Guild: Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]
Profession: W/Mo
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as a sword W/Mo i often get accused of being a newb, that is untill they figure out that my skill loadout allows for an absurd amount of damage to be dealt very quickly, and with very little (if any) mana use; battle rage (in my opinion the best anti-newb-runner skill IN THE GAME, yes, better than hamstring) final strike galrath slash bonettis defense healing signet/purge conditions/smite hex (my main weakness is degen nukers...this helps to combat them) distracting blow/riposite (HIGHLY underrated IMO, if abused can sub as a non-elite-skill substitute for gladiators defense) and im toying around w/ skills 7&8 lately, they used to be a res signet&healing breeze, though im considering switching to strengh of honor+desperation blow (not the best skill in the world, but it allows you to stack up all sorts of conditions with just one skill) for a while i toyed around with battlerage+iway+strength of honor+JI, and that was EXTREMLY effective under certain circumstances, but was far from versatile. i think one of the biggest advantages of a sword warrior is thier best attack skill (final strike) doesnt take up an elite slot, and thus gives you some more options as to what you want to take with you, without sacrificing your maximum damage potential. Last edited by Akhilleus; Oct 22, 2005 at 03:32 PM // 15:32.. |
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Oct 22, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: USA
Guild: [GSS][SoF][DIII]
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as long as you realize that you absolutely cant play outside of comp arenas, youre fine. whirling lasts almost 20s so you would benifit from replacing dryders with a damage attack cus whirling is up nearly 24/7.
but anyways, in play vs anyone half decent, rangers are one of the last ones targeted whether they are using apply poison, power shot, or lightning orb. therefore if you went to team arenas or tombs you would not want hardly any defensive skills at all. |
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Oct 22, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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 ]Being on topic regarding warriors [off topic to OP ] you MIGHT be able to run a smite warrior vs. a stupid team. [one with no Enchant kill whatsoever]You run a smiting warrior against me, I'll have its face in the dirt faster than they can fall into it. Most if not all pugs I run into NEVER bring enchant kill cause they say it takes too long to recycle. [making me very grateful I brought my trusty rend] I'd rather bomb an enchant stacked monk, mes, or ele, rather than worry about my skill's recycle time and rip out their 30-60s. recycle elite enchants... Also, why is this thread still going? 
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Oct 24, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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Question about enchantments.
If you were to cast an enchantment like, Balthazars Aura or Mark of Protection. These are enchantment spells, if im not mistaken these are not maintained enchantments they just do damage and heal. If someone were use Rend or something similar to try and kill these enchantments would it actually be killed? Or does it only kill enchantments that are being maintained? |
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Oct 24, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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balth aura and mop arent maintained, they just have duration more than instant. maintainined is indefinate at the sacrfice of pips. rend takes all of them off. there is no skill that distingushes between maintained and duration, in terms of removal... outside of that there is just the doubling from renewal.
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Oct 24, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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No worries pagan, I understand that some dont feel comfortable giving thier builds. I didnt want your secrets, i just wanted a general idea of where to start. I can make a warrior with secondary spells as good as anyone, but i dont have much practice creating builds with just one primary class. And about your name...isn't that an oxymoron...well, better luck next time 
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Oct 24, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Guild: We Dupe Sojs {DUPE}
Profession: W/Me
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Oct 25, 2005, 03:51 AM // 03:51
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Its only oxymoron to those who don't understand the background behind each word.
Secrets? not really. I post my builds a good bit of the time. Want me to categorically go through why your build is not good for PvP? Because as a PvE farmer its pretty solid, except using Axe instead of Sword to use Cyclone instead of final thrust to get instant full adrenaline for Bonnetti's. Mark of Protection{E} and Shielding Hands, You simply do not have the energy to cast these. Unless you don't use Balthazar's Aura. But that would defeat the purpose of you having any Smite skills. Final Thrust. With 7 Sword. Less damage if they are below 50% than a Warrior with only 12 in Sword using Galrath. Bonnetti's Defense, very good skill even with 0 in Tactics, if warriors attack you. If they don't it is worthless other than having 5-10 seconds of defense from wands/bows for adrenaline not energy. Better defensive skills available. Balthazar's Aura and Symbol of Wrath, Great smite skills. But way, way too expensive for 2 pips of energy regain. thats 30 total energy, for just a few seconds of smite. 30 energy you can't regain in any way quickly. Unable to keep your smite up for more than random intervals. MoP and SH takes ALOT of energy away from your only source of damage. Healing Signet, 2 seconds with reduced armor for a mediocre heal. On a W/Mo. Doesn't cost energy, which is a blessing for this overloaded warrior with no energy management. You have a warrior that is worthless other than the first few seconds, and towards the end when he is targetted. And the rest of the team is dead because he failed to spike through any heals and make the other team worry about its own survival. Thank you for this very standard and cookie cutter Farmer. Please, don't offer it as a PvP build. Warriors are not tanks in PvP. They deal damage. Quickly, not over 5-10 seconds to get the total damage a 16 Axe warrior did in 3 seconds alone. Self smiting W/Mo's are the next rung up from the Paladin premade. |
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Oct 25, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Jersey
Guild: JoT
Profession: W/N
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Thats a very sound build. The damage and strategy on it can be tweaked depending on what you what role you wish to fill on your team. For example, you could switch out the secondary to mesmer and focus on more interrupts. Or focus on killing a special class such as warriors or casters. I would suggest an Antidote Signet since your character depends on landing Oath Shot.
As per the critics, I would only ask where are your builds? Where are your books that you published so we can all stand here and judge you. If you don't have something positive to contribute please refrain from criticizing those who try. Nice effort on the Ranger build. Lots of luck with it. Regards, -J |
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Oct 25, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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However, the title of the post kind of begs for such flames and vicious critical harrassment. Nobody can stand idly by and watch as a self-proclaimed anti-warrior build says he's unkillable... I would GLADLY take my W/N build to town on someone who claims to be invincible to warriors. You can be invincible to stupid warriors, but to one who knows how to slice through an enemy's defenses to some degree, such a claim is grounds for flames... Every post I've made includes the 'disclaimer'... "Please don't post obvious counters such as the ones I've already mentioned. It doesn't get us anywhere and is a waste of both our time"... Mentioning counters in your own posts simply states that: 1. you're not an idiot and accept the fact that your build might be canned 2. people might help you minimize said weaknesses. 3. you get OFF the high horse stating your build is the be-all/end-all... I think that anyone who mentions the weakness to their own builds has a good sense of credibility. Also, there might be people asking for weaknesses in their builds if they can't find any themselves... That's good too. But the title alone is enough to offend me quite a bit due to the fact that I'm in essence a warrior favorite... If the OP had mentioned that a Wild Blow user would take him out in 2seconds flat, maybe this thread wouldn't have turned into this... Who knows? |
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Oct 25, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Exactly. There are so many counters available for stance users that this is definitely not unkillable. Dumb warriors?(self smiters maybe...) Yeah, they don't stand a chance to kill this. But then again why would anyone target this other than last? It isnt doing anything other than spreading poison. Like I posted before, throw a hard res like restore life or maybe vengeance in with all the survivability and you have a VERY annoying build. Last edited by pagansaint; Oct 25, 2005 at 04:50 PM // 16:50.. |
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